(This nip is implemented in mill and you can try it here: oslim.dev/nostr-mill)

NIP-XX (draft): Cloud-Account Key Backup

draft optional

A low-assurance convenience mechanism for cross-client backup and recovery of a Nostr secret key, anchored to a third-party cloud account (e.g. "Sign in with Google") and protected by a strong passphrase. A user who creates their key in one client can sign into any other client that implements this NIP — same cloud account, same passphrase — and recover the same key.

This is not custody and not a recovery service. It publishes a passphrase-encrypted secret key to public relays. It exists to lower the friction of starting on Nostr while preserving the option to take full control later. It is not a replacement for the user independently saving their nsec/ncryptsec, and clients MUST treat it as such (see ). Read the before implementing — several risks are inherent to the approach and can only be disclosed, not engineered away.

Motivation

Onboarding non-technical users to Nostr is hard because the private key is the account and there is no reset. Several clients have independently built "sign in with Google" flows that stash an encrypted key in the user's cloud storage — but each is a silo. Google Drive's appDataFolder is scoped per OAuth client: two different apps get separate, mutually invisible folders for the same user (Google docs). So "log in with Google" yields a different Nostr identity in every app.

This NIP uses the one shared, permissionless medium Nostr already has — relays — as the rendezvous, at an address derived from the cloud account and passphrase, so any implementing client can find and decrypt the backup. The cloud account supplies a stable per-user salt and a familiar login; all confidentiality comes from the passphrase, which is therefore required to be strong.

Terminology

Provider: an OpenID Connect identity provider, lowercase ASCII (google).
Account subject (sub): the provider's stable identifier for the user. It MUST be globally stable across OAuth clients (Google satisfies this; Sign in with Apple does NOT — its sub is per-team — and cannot be used).
Passphrase: the sole cryptographic protection. Because the ciphertext is public and permanent, the passphrase MUST meet a real entropy floor (see ).
Backup identity: a keypair derived from the passphrase and account, used only to author and address the backup event — never the user's real key.

Derivation

All parameters are fixed constants so that independent clients reproduce the same values. These constants are frozen for the lifetime of this format version; changing any of them is a new kind, not a new value here (see ).

Let provider be lowercased and sub the raw subject string.

Salt (public, per-user separation; not secret). With US = the ASCII unit separator byte 0x1F: salt = SHA-256( UTF8("nostr-cloud-key-backup" ‖ US ‖ provider ‖ US ‖ sub) ) (32 bytes)
Root from the passphrase: root = scrypt( password = NFKC(passphrase) as UTF-8, salt, N = 2^18, r = 8, p = 1, dkLen = 32 ).
- NFKC only. No trimming, no case-folding. The same normalized byte string MUST be used here and for the payload (step 4), or the address is found but decryption fails.
Backup identity key via HKDF (domain-separated): backup_seckey = HKDF-SHA256( ikm = root, salt = "" (empty), info = UTF8("nostr-cloud-key-backup/identity"), L = 32 ). Interpret as a secp256k1 scalar. If it is 0 or ≥ n (curve order), reject and re-derive with info suffixed by an incrementing counter byte (probability ≈ 2^-128; specified only for determinism). backup_pubkey = the BIP-340 x-only public key.

Why `scrypt` cost is a security parameter, not just UX

backup_pubkey is published in cleartext and is a deterministic function of the passphrase, so it is an offline passphrase-verification oracle: an attacker guesses a passphrase, runs the derivation, and checks for a match — no ciphertext needed. This caps the whole scheme's strength at the addressing scrypt cost, which — unlike the NIP-49 payload's self-describing cost — cannot be raised later without moving every user's address. Two consequences the spec commits to:

The addressing scrypt cost and the payload log_n are both fixed at 18 and MUST be equal. Raising only the payload buys nothing (the attacker attacks the cheaper oracle). N = 2^18 (256 MiB) is chosen as the highest cost broadly feasible in browsers and on mobile; it is above the OWASP 2^17 password-storage minimum but is not by itself sufficient against a determined attacker.
Therefore the passphrase entropy floor is the primary control, not the KDF cost. See below.

Passphrase

For a permanent, public, offline-crackable blob, a short passphrase is equivalent to no protection. At N = 2^18, a human-chosen 8-character passphrase (~28 bits) falls to a rented GPU cluster in minutes; a 5-word diceware phrase (~65 bits) does not. Therefore:

Clients MUST enforce a floor of ≥ 70 bits of estimated entropy, using a real estimator (e.g. zxcvbn) or, preferably, by generating the passphrase for the user as ≥ 6 diceware-style words. A raw length check is NOT sufficient and MUST NOT be the only gate.
Clients MUST warn that the encrypted key is published publicly and can never be un-published, so a weak passphrase means eventual compromise as hardware improves.
A numeric PIN MUST NOT be used for this NIP (it is acceptable only for a provider-access-controlled local copy, which is out of scope here).

Encryption

payload = nip49_encrypt( user_seckey, passphrase, log_n = 18, key_security_byte = 0x00 )

NIP-49 ncryptsec is the payload so the encrypted key is a format the ecosystem already reads. It is self-describing (carries its own salt/nonce/log_n), so readers decrypt without pre-agreeing on log_n; verify by decrypting, not by byte comparison.
key_security_byte = 0x00 ("handled insecurely") is required: this key is encrypted and then published to public relays, which is exactly that condition. Importing clients should treat it as potentially exposed.

The backup event

A parameterized replaceable event (NIP-01, range 30000–39999), authored and signed by backup_seckey:

{
  "kind": 30049,                         // PROVISIONAL — pending assignment
  "pubkey": "<backup_pubkey>",
  "content": "ncryptsec1...",            // the NIP-49 payload
  "tags": [
    ["d", "primary"],                    // identity label; "primary" for the default
    ["n", "<monotonic counter>"]         // integer, increments each write
  ],
  "created_at": <unix seconds>,
  "sig": "<signed by backup_seckey>"
}

Signing with the derived backup key, never the user's identity key, is what keeps the event from publicly linking the cloud account to the user's npub, and is what makes the address unforgeable: only a holder of the passphrase can write or overwrite it. Clients MUST NOT sign with the user's real key.
d label. The primary identity uses the literal "primary" — a non-empty value, because relay indexing of empty-string tag values is inconsistent. Additional identities under one account+passphrase use d = <hex npub of that identity>. Because all identities share one backup_pubkey, a client holding the passphrase enumerates them by querying {authors:[backup_pubkey], kinds:[30049]} with no #d filter.
n counter. An integer that MUST increase on every write. Restoring clients reconcile on n (then created_at) to defeat clock-skew and stale-relay hazards (see ).
No provider name, sub, or account data appears in the event.

Relays

A rendezvous needs an agreed meeting point. Two facts make "just use the user's relays / the open network" unworkable, so this NIP pins a set:

backup_pubkey is a brand-new key with no profile, no NIP-05, no follows, no payment — the exact profile that modern write policies (WoT gates, paid allowlists, anti-spam plugins) reject. Generic public relays will refuse the write.
Two independent clients must publish and read at the same relays or they never meet.

Therefore:

This NIP defines a pinned, versioned relay set (bound to the kind). Provisional for v1: ["wss://TBD-backup-relay-1", "wss://TBD-backup-relay-2"] — to be replaced with concrete, purpose-run relays before assignment. These relays accept kind:30049 from any pubkey but bound abuse structurally.
Backup relays SHOULD enforce: one event per (pubkey, d) (addressable semantics already bound this), a per-pubkey quota, and either a small NIP-13 proof-of-work on the event or NIP-42 AUTH as backup_pubkey, to price spam.
Clients MUST connect over wss:// only, and MUST NOT publish or fetch the backup on the user's identity relays or over a connection multiplexed with identity traffic (a relay could otherwise link backup_pubkey to the user's npub). Use a separate connection; jitter timing after login.
Generic public relays are not a viable transport for this NIP; do not rely on them.

Flows

Create / import (first backup)

Obtain user_seckey (generate, or import an existing key).
Authenticate with the provider; obtain sub. Prompt for a passphrase meeting the (generate one by default).
Derive backup_seckey; payload = nip49_encrypt(user_seckey, passphrase, 18, 0x00).
Build the kind-30049 event with n = 1, sign with backup_seckey, publish to the pinned relay set.
Before treating the backup as usable, the client MUST have offered the user their raw nsec/ncryptsec (see ).

Restore (returning user, any client)

Authenticate; obtain sub. Prompt for the passphrase.
Derive backup_seckey → backup_pubkey.
Query all pinned relays: { "authors": ["<backup_pubkey>"], "kinds": [30049], "#d": ["<label>"] }.
Reconcile: collect all matching events across relays; select the one with the highest n, breaking ties by highest created_at, then lowest event id (NIP-01). A single relay's response is not authoritative.
On a hit: user_seckey = nip49_decrypt(content, passphrase).
On no hit, the client MUST NOT silently create a new identity. It MUST distinguish (a) relay unreachable — a quorum of the pinned relays did not respond → surface "couldn't verify, retry", never new-key; from (b) authoritatively absent — quorum responded, no event → this may be a first-time user or a mistyped passphrase, which are indistinguishable, so the client MUST require an explicit, informed confirmation ("If you have used this Google account before, your passphrase is mistyped. Only continue to create a NEW account if this is genuinely your first time.") before generating a key.

Versioning

The constants (salt string, scrypt params, HKDF info) are frozen. Any incompatible change MUST use a new kind, so distinct formats occupy distinct addresses and cannot silently clobber each other. The n tag is a per-record counter, not a format version. Do not put a format version inside the salt (it would fork every address on a bump).

Security considerations

Inherent — disclose, cannot be fixed

Permanent public honeypot. Every backup is a passphrase-encrypted secret key, public and immutable on relays, scrapable into a corpus that is attacked offline forever, with compute only getting cheaper. Each crack is a full, irreversible account takeover plus retroactive DM decryption. NIP-49 explicitly warns against publishing ncryptsec to relays for this reason. This NIP accepts that risk in exchange for permissionless portability and pushes back only with a mandatory strong passphrase — which is unenforceable at the protocol level (one non-compliant client permanently poisons the corpus). Implementers who are unwilling to accept a public corpus should use a provider-access-controlled store instead (which sacrifices cross-client interop — the tradeoff is real and unavoidable).
Irrevocable; rotation ≠ revocation. You cannot un-publish. Changing the passphrase orphans the old blob at its old address (still crackable under the old passphrase); rotating the key while keeping the passphrase reuses the address but old ciphertext may linger on non-compliant relays. A passphrase or key change MUST be treated as: the previously-published key is potentially compromised.
Best-effort durability. Relays may drop events, especially from graphless pubkeys — exactly the returning/inactive user this feature targets. Clients MUST NOT claim "safely backed up". See .
No recovery, no lockout. Forgotten passphrase = permanent loss. There is no rate-limiting (offline against the corpus; unmetered online against relays). "Sign in with Google" normally implies recoverability and lockout; here Google is only a lookup salt. This gap MUST be disclosed prominently.

Threat model

Google account compromise alone ≠ key compromise — but only because the passphrase is needed to both locate and decrypt. This is a real property, and it reduces to passphrase entropy: an attacker who learns the victim's sub (which every app the user authorizes receives) can grind passphrases offline and precompute against the known per-user salt. State this property with the caveat; do not imply passphrase-derived addressing adds anti-targeting strength beyond entropy.
Malicious client sees the passphrase, sub, and user_seckey in the clear — total compromise, inherent. This NIP additionally trains users to type a key-protecting passphrase into many clients (a larger phishing surface than an nsec, which users are told never to paste) and lets a client that captured the passphrase once overwrite the backup later. Clients SHOULD present a provenance story; users SHOULD be warned to enter the passphrase only into trusted clients.
Malicious relay cannot forge signatures (so cannot overwrite/poison without the passphrase) but can omit or serve a stale version — mitigated by the n counter and cross-relay reconciliation, not eliminated.

Privacy

The backup event is authored by the derived key, so it does not link the npub to the provider account in content. That protection is defeated if backup and identity traffic share a relay/connection — hence the isolation requirements. d labels other than "primary" are hex npubs (opaque); do not use human-meaningful labels, which leak in cleartext. Note that anyone querying learns backup_pubkey ↔ their own IP; and a lone kind-30049 from a graphless pubkey on the pinned relays self-identifies as a backup user.

Client requirements

A conforming client:

MUST offer the user their raw nsec/ncryptsec and confirm they have saved it, before presenting this backup as usable. This is the escape hatch that makes best-effort durability acceptable.
MUST NOT describe this as durable, guaranteed, or "safely backed up", and MUST NOT present Google as a recovery method.
MUST NOT silently create a new identity on a failed restore (see ).
MUST enforce the passphrase .
SHOULD gate the feature as explicitly experimental while the kind and relay set are provisional, and plan for a format migration.

Test vector

The backup-identity derivation is deterministic. The NIP-49 payload is not (random salt/nonce) — verify it by decrypting.

provider      = "google"
sub           = "103547991597142817347"
passphrase    = "raven ledger cactus plume amber tunnel"     // illustrative; NOT a safe reuse

salt          = ab3b151969ba0b598b9f3caaf97d34710274a4a5590da48e8b777494c3c60199
root          = b2b42084c2ab00cf65a6caae9561b04137088dbd72c5d1639297034e46e1169d
backup_seckey = 50f4cf826d272bb1ed29b595453f1abc5d308405d2b90b828fe90379f89b4fdf
backup_pubkey = 759d333bfbe82b961dec0cf1971873d50b649ce3c8a2780aca97f6181725bf53   (x-only)

salt = SHA-256("nostr-cloud-key-backup" ‖ 0x1F ‖ "google" ‖ 0x1F ‖ "103547991597142817347"); root = scrypt(NFKC(passphrase), salt, N=2^18, r=8, p=1, 32); backup_seckey = HKDF-SHA256(root, "", "nostr-cloud-key-backup/identity", 32); backup_pubkey is the x-only schnorr public key of backup_seckey.

Prior art

NIP-49 — the ncryptsec payload format.
NIP-199 proposal — username/password → derived, relay-stored encrypted key; closest prior pattern.
NIP-46, nsec.app / noauth — remote-signer portability, a different (non-copy) trust model.

Open questions

Final kind assignment (30049 is provisional).
The concrete pinned relay set, and who operates it (an open-ended, spam-resistant, free-hosting commitment).
Whether a strong-secret second factor (a cloud-stored high-entropy value mixed into the KDF) should be offered for users who accept reduced portability, to remove reliance on human passphrase entropy.
Multi-identity d-label canonicalization beyond "hex npub".

NIP Cloud-Account Key Backup